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The Optimal Life with Nate Haber

Inspirational conversations with extraordinary people.

Sep 28, 2021

Doug Noll is a conflict mediation and de-escalation specialist who has transformed the lives of thousands of people, including hardcore criminals in maximum security prisons.  He joined me for a conversation about the importance of de-escalation, its under-appreciated value in society, and ways to de-escalate by "listening others into existence."